First it was Bear Stearns. Then the government bailed out Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE). Before the ink was dry on that deal, Uncle Sam loaned $85 billion to insurance giant AIG in exchange for an 80% stake in the company. Along the way, the Fed has been throwing money every which way, depending on the day.
But wait: there's more. In the last 24 hours, a new round of government bailout efforts are underway. Yesterday, Congressional, Federal Reserve and Treasury officials were talking of launching a massive government fund to buy up the toxic securities from investment banks and other institutions. Meanwhile, the SEC announced a ban on short selling on nearly 800 financial stocks. And the Treasury is now insuring money market funds to shore up sentiment in the wake of news that the Reserve Fund — a money market portfolio — broke the buck this week, i.e., its net asset value fell below $1. The drop stoked fears that even cash equivalents might not be safe.
The government, in other words, is throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the bear market. There's some logic to this, of course. Preventing bank runs and the like is just common sense. But how much is too much? Or too little? Alas, intervention is an art, not a science. Financial turmoil of the degree we've seen this week is rare, and so there's not a lot of precedent. The early 1930s are an obvious era for study, but the relevance is limited, since two or three have changed the days of FDR and "brother can you spare a dime."
Meanwhile, asset prices want to fall, and interest rates want to rise (i.e., those rates that involved private parties that can't print their own money). But the government is doing everything in its power to keep Mr. Market from having his way. This is reasonable, up to a point, although it's a safe bet that it'll take time before we know where reason ended and moral hazard began.
One can be forgiven for wondering if the latest batch of fixes will fare any better than the previous ones. Since the Bear Stearns bailout earlier this year, each new "solution" was initially greeted with cheers in the stock market only to be followed by more selling. Will the new fixes do any better?
Maybe. But it's debatable if government intervention, massive though it is in cumulative terms these past months, can engineer a bullish aura of any duration.
For the moment, however, hope springs eternal. Out of the gate this morning, stocks surged skyward. But after the warm glow of yet another of government intervention cools, how much bullish enthusiasm will remain? As troubling as all the toxic securities problem is, it's still a symptom of deeper problem, starting with the correcting real estate market. Meanwhile, there's the issue of consumer spending, which was already faltering before the latest ills went ballistic. It's hard to imagine that Joe Sixpack will take inspiration from all this news and run out and buy a new wide-screen TV.
The government can keep bailing out firms, buying up securities no one else wants, and guaranteeing money market funds. But the cycle will have its way eventually, in part because sentiment and psychology can't be denied.
It's worth repeating the reality that prices want to fall and interest rates want to rise. It's not clear that the government can change that reality. And while the government theoretically has access to unlimited amounts money to throw at problems, in practice there's a limit if only because the dollar is regularly valued vis a vis other currencies and gold. At some point, cranking up the printing presses to bail out Acme Finance is self-defeating because the marginal gains of injecting liquidity are more than offset by a slump in the purchasing power of the buck.
Of course, we're talking of medium- and long-term worries, and for the moment all the concern is about what happens in two hours. But at some point the fires will stop burning, the smoke will clear and the crowd will look out six months or a year and reassess prices and interest rates. This much is clear: fundamentals will regain their place as the dominant force in pricing. Exactly when that happens is unclear. Meantime, it's all noise.
Remember, too, that financial crises are nothing new, nor are interventions of one sort or another. In the panic of 1907, for instance, J.P. Morgan--the man--orchestrated a private-sector bailout of sorts. In some sense, we're not in uncharted territory in 2008. The future, on the other hand, is always unknown.
The details of the full government-sponsored bailouts will determine much of what happens in the markets and the economy in coming years. The challenge is that we don't yet know the details, and the future, well, it's still the future.
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- bbzz24
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Sep 19 11:28 AM- icandoitdon
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Sep 19 11:48 AMif this doesn't push interest rates substantially higher i don't know what will. the socialists got their bailout. i suspect their euphoria will be short lived.
- Whidbey
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Sep 19 12:17 PM- Chris B
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Sep 19 12:23 PMIt appears that national socialism has been established by those who told us the greatest threat was socialism, just like last time. Perhaps it always happens that way.
BTW, did anybody realize that the govt. now owns a majority stake in their house, and that they pay the govt. to live in it. Creepy? Anyone?
- Just a Hick
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Sep 19 02:26 PMMy question is who do we have to save next to save the world?
- Matt Blackman
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Sep 19 03:15 PMThe challenge as I see it is the government minions are blowing the wad trying to save Wall Street. Unfortunately, they are simply passing along the liability to taxpayers, kind of like what happened in Japan in the early 1990s after their meltdown (that is still underway).
The problem is that as the recession worsens, Main Street will be next, consumer spending will fall as more get laid off and the economy weakens. Given that the Fed and government have now discouraged foreigners from investing in Treasuries see tradesystemguru.com/im... who will be left to bail out Main Street amid rising interest rates?
- tk6910
- 9 Comments
Sep 19 05:50 PMNow Paulson is asking a blank check from the Congress to the tune of over 800 billion dollars. Apparently he has moved up to using a nuclear bomb. And the true cost will be in trillions of dollars.
Time and time again, Paulson has proved that his words are meaningless. Remember how he reassured us in 2007 by saying that the US and global economies were never better? If the Congress goes along with his proposal again, there is something seriously wrong with the workings of our "democracy." All the incumbent senators and congressmen should be thrown out with Paulson. More importantly, vote against the presidential candidate that sympathizes with Paulson's plan.
- tk6910
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Sep 19 05:59 PM- icandoitdon
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Sep 19 08:26 PMit's also interesting (and quite funny) to watch the greedy bankers scream like hell about the treasury's plan to insure money market funds. banks will lose billions in deposits if this happens unless they match money market rates. ordinarily it would be hilarious but it's hard to laugh at our country having become a bananna republic. there is more capitalism in china and russia than in the united socialist states of america.
- User 263844
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Sep 20 02:33 AM- bbzz24
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Sep 20 03:49 AM- Jim T.
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Sep 20 05:16 AM- fatcat
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Sep 20 05:39 AM- 4263mike
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Sep 20 06:48 AM- smart money
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Sep 20 08:44 AM- Joe
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Sep 20 08:51 AMIn any case: some time ago a contributor to this introduced the book:
Confessions of a subprime lender. An insider's tale of greed, fraud &
ignorance ... by Richard Bitner / lendingsanity.com
I found it very interesting, informative, useful. And it probably was
useful for many others as well, those not taken by surprise.
- aecinc
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Sep 20 09:05 AMBanks may survive,
Save the world,
Buy my Junk,
Sounds like a ViX Garage Sale
that I don't wont to go too.
- aecinc
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Sep 20 09:06 AMBanks may survive,
Save the world,
Buy my Junk,
Sounds like a ViX Garage Sale
that I don't wont to go too.
- Midas Mulligan
- 22 Comments
Sep 20 09:47 AM$500 billion. Devastating throw weight indeed.
- Kelly Lieberman
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Sep 20 09:58 AM"And while the government theoretically has access to unlimited amounts money to throw at problems, in practice there's a limit if only because the dollar is regularly valued vis a vis other currencies and gold. At some point, cranking up the printing presses to bail out Acme Finance is self-defeating because the marginal gains of injecting liquidity are more than offset by a slump in the purchasing power of the buck."
Beware. The Govt. tells YOU not to panic, but panics itself.. They do not want a run on banks because they need our money in there to hold this stack of cards together.
I have already made my run on my banks weeks ago in order to beat the inevitable crowds. I purchased the very thing that my Govt. does NOT want me to buy - Gold and Silver. They are trying to hold off the panic post election by applying bandaids to a gushing artery. Don't be fooled.
If foreign countries bail on the dollar, by taking what they have and moving into gold, silver and oil, the dollar is dead. They hold billions of dollars of toxic debt...I imagine they might decide they would rather be holding a safer alternative.
Doesn't it make sense to get in to Gold before your dollar won't buy any?
- jcrash
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Sep 20 10:01 AM- wpdragon
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Sep 20 10:49 AMwww.nytimes.com/2008/0...
One paragraph jumped off the page at me because of its incredible irony... it describes an almost 100% reversal in the economic ideology of the two great cold war superpowers.
“Probably a period of struggle for existence and survival is coming,” said Dmitri Lutsenko, a member of the board of directors for Mr. Polonsky’s Mirax Group, which is building Europe’s tallest skyscraper beside the Moscow River. “The strong businesses will become stronger, and the weak ones will be wiped out of the market,” he said.
Absolutely mind boggling.
Mr. Lutensko speaks of the quintessential capitalist market theory, what I call financial darwinism, where the strong, growing, innovative shall attract the capital - and our Republikaan business and political leaders evoke the image of a socialist nightmare, where the weak and broken are temporarily propped up and force fed hundreds of billions of dollars of scarce capital that will now not be allocated to the growth of a strong economy. In America, the weak and dying are bailed out, and the strong are starved out.
News just hit... Dumbya looking for $700 BILLION now for the bailout. Democrats and Repugnants alike should be ASHAMED at what they are creating, absolutely ASHAMED.
- wpdragon
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Sep 20 10:56 AMnews.yahoo.com/s/ap/20...
- Kelly Lieberman
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Sep 20 11:19 AMAmericans, Get Ready for an Enormous Tax Bill
Posted Sep 19, 2008 01:36pm EDT by Aaron Task in Investing, Newsmakers, Recession, Banking
Related: JPM, AIG, XLF, ^DJI, ^GSPC, BAC, C
"America's economy is facing unprecedented challenges. We're responding with unprecedented measures," President Bush declared in a press conference Friday.
Bush, of course, was speaking of the government's coordinated efforts to tackle a financial crisis that has roiled global markets and brought down venerable financial institutions.
"These measures will require us to put a significant amount of taxpayer dollars on the line," the President added.
Ah, yes. There is no free lunch. Just how significant an amount of taxpayer dollars remains unknown, but it's going to be massive.
Estimates of the proposal to let the government buy bad assets from banks range from $500 billion to $1 trillion -- and that's in addition to costs already incurred for various government actions this year, including, but not limited to:
• $29 billion to fund JPMorgan's takeover of Bear Stearns
• Up to $200 billion each for nationalization of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac
• Up to $85 billion for AIG
• $50 billion to insure money market funds
• Approximately $300 billion of Fed liquidity measures this week alone.
"It's impossible to put any reasonable estimate on what it's going to cost us as taxpayers," says Tom Brown of Bankstocks.com and Second Curve Capital. "We know it's going to cost an awful lot [and] the more they borrow the more interest rates go up and the more taxes we'll have to pay."
- Kelly Lieberman
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Sep 20 11:29 AMJust remember this on election day, and vote all the filth out regardless of party. Try and vote like you give a darn for your fellow man. Most of the greedy b**stards in power don't give a hoot about you or me or your aging parents...they vote knowing they can sleep peacefully in one of their 7 houses.
- a believer
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Sep 20 11:30 AMThey are a politically savvy bunch, so they must have seen something far worse just around the corner, something like a near 100% probability that there would be a run on the banks next week.
Now that would have been just as, or more, expensive than the bailout, and even worse (much worse), the expense would be immediate and not spread out over several years.
So in my mind the Bush bailout was inevitable, the lesser evil (but not by much) of two bad options. Therefore I'm not sure it signals a new American Socialism, just a continuation of business-as-usual.
I'm not convinced of the 'short the dollar' theory, which presumes that foreign currencies are healthier than the $$ right now. I doubt it.
- Kelly Lieberman
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Sep 20 12:41 PMThe alternative is to take your cash and buy Gold and Silver which is exactly what Washington doesn't want you to do... which is exactly why you should be doing it.
- BxCapricorn
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Sep 20 12:56 PMThink about the people that re-entered their WTC building, not affected by the first plane, after exiting the building and being told by "authorities"... to go back inside.
Think about the recent Hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico. Did officials say, "don't panic and leave the area"? No, they said, "better safe than sorry, leave the area immediately".
Why then are these same government officials and TV pundits telling me to not worry about it?
Disclosure: Bought SDS on Friday's dip. Portfolio loaded with silver. Retirement in US Treasuries since last July. Currently constructing a bubble-wrap suit to place over my kevlar vest.
- BxCapricorn
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Sep 20 01:05 PM- Kelly Lieberman
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Sep 20 01:24 PMYou got it. When every single person is telling you "don't panic" you better be in self-preservation mode. For months they have been telling investors not to sell their stocks and look how much people have lost! When they tell you something, do the opposite.
- a believer
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Sep 20 01:28 PMGold: futures.tradingcharts....
Silver: futures.tradingcharts....
That would be reckless anytime, but esp. in the current marget. I think there are better short term investments in things that have real intrinsic value.
I also think having some, maybe significant, cash reserve (not in a bank) is prudent. It was interesting to note that the money market funds now cannot maintain par ($1/share) value. I was wondering when they would release that bit of news.
Looking at the 10-year IWM chart and current PEs, I believe stocks have further to fall.
They are down for the week, and cash is still king.
- User 118015
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Sep 20 01:28 PM- bold4gold
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Sep 20 01:42 PM- veryold
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Sep 20 01:47 PM- BxCapricorn
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Sep 20 02:15 PM"Sec. 6. Maximum Amount of Authorized Purchases.
The Secretary's authority to purchase mortgage-related assets under this Act shall be limited to $700,000,000,000 outstanding at any one time"
At one time....why is the media suggesting it's $700B, maximum, when the actual wording is thus? This leads us to my Potato Chip Theory....
- BxCapricorn
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Sep 20 02:18 PM- Maquiavelli
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Sep 20 02:53 PMThis is the way they will print the money. Once the bank gets rid of the toxic stuff it will again extend credit to anyone. This in turn will create more toxic crap that will move again to the tax payer repeat to infinity. I don't know about gold since I have the feeling that they will try to manipulate it. I think long oil and shorting US debt has a better chance on not being so easy to manipulate.
- icandoitdon
- 371 Comments
Sep 20 02:56 PM