John McCain and the House Republicans have blown up the Paulson-Dodd-Frank compromise--for that's what House Republican Whip Roy Blunt says that John McCain did:
Roy Blunt: Everybody else seemed to be rushing for a deal and John McCain came back and said, ‘Wait a minute, I think the House Republicans have the taxpayers in mind and I’m with them’...
Now it's time to go back to three principles. There are three options:
- Do nothing.
- Bailout (a la Paulson)
- Nationalization (a la Sweden 1992)
Do nothing was last tried in 1929-1932. The result was called the Great Depression. Let's not do that again. Let's decide between bailout and nationalization.
Nationalization has the best chance of avoiding large losses and possibly even making money for the taxpayer. And it is the best way to deal with the moral hazard problem.
It might work like this. Congress:
- grants the Federal Reserve Board the power to take any financial firm whatsoever with liabilities and capital of more than $25 billion that is not well capitalized into conservatorship,
- requires the Federal Reserve Board to liquidate any financial firm in its conservatorship when it judges that the firm is insolvent (paying off in full or not paying off in full the liabilities of the firm at its discretion), unless
- the Federal Reserve Board finds that preservation as a going concern is in the interest of the taxpayer, in which case Congress
- grants the Federal Reserve Board the power to transform equity stakes in the firm into junior preferred stock at par value and then transfer ownership and custody of the firm to the Treasury,
- requires the Federal Reserve to terminate conservatorship if the firm becomes well-capitalized once again.
In addition, Congress:
- grants the Treasury the power to issue up to $500 billion of troubled asset redemption bonds, the proceeds of which are then to be loaned to the Federal Reserve to be used to cover the liabilities of those liquidated firms that the Federal Reserve judges it is in the interest of the taxpayer to have their liabilities paid off in full.
Paulson had his shot. It's time for the Democrats to pass a nationalization in the taxpayers' interest bill and dare Bush to veto it. If he does, then announce that the congress will pass it again the day after the election. And if he vetoes it again, announce that congress will pass it yet again on January 21, 2009.
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- PearlCreek
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Sep 27 02:51 PMGive us all a break from theory.
- Respirate
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Sep 27 03:04 PM- User 247556
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Sep 27 03:04 PM- najdorf
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Sep 27 03:09 PMHow do you know how much skin the author has in free market enterprises?
What ideas in this post are more theoretical or less practical than the Paulson plan or the House Republican plan?
The post provides concrete recommendations and you flip out because there are books behind the author in his picture. It's ok - avoid all educational institutions and keep voting for politicians who are as dumb as you are. Count yourself lucky that W. appointed people with records of success in business and academic endeavours (Paulson and Bernanke) to bludgeon the politicians into fixing the problem. At least he's smart enough to know that Treasury and the Fed are more significant to his way of life than FEMA and the Department of Education.
- Purl Gurl
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Sep 27 03:28 PMOh my, Mr. Delong, you are a partisan leftist socialist, yes?
Rather clear your thinking is tainted by partisan concerns rather than concern for our American peoples. This economic crisis is a national issue, is a global issue, yet you are sitting there thinking leftist socialism.
I am a registered democrat. I am voting John and Sarah because I think clearly and because I am partial to good common sense. I do not make decisions based upon political party affiliation rather I make decisions based upon what I believe will be best for all peoples.
You disqualify yourself as a commentator upon playing party politics when this comes to issues which both effect and affect all peoples.
Mr. Delong continues, “Let's decide between bailout and nationalization.”
Bailout, this is to reward Wall Street criminals for their financial crimes against America.
Nationalization, is not this a tactic of Banana Republic despots?
Best option is the “Do Nothing” option. Wall Street should be allowed to collapse. Our economy and our global economy should be allowed to collapse. We need a repeat of the Great Depression to cull the flock. America and our world need to be rid of Wall Street types and be rid of peoples who refuse to live a lifestyle within their means. Wall Street is not solely responsible; our politicians and our peoples are equally responsible.
Yes, I am advocating economic collapse leading to loss of jobs, loss of homes, families ending up on welfare, maybe homeless and on the streets. This breaks my heart because of innocent children who will be victimized by adults who made bad decisions and gave over to greed.
If I could protect children of our world, I would financially nuke our world.
All in our family were born to poverty on a rural Oklahoma farm, many decades back. We were born ignorant, could not attend school, never enjoyed money, literally, then we set about working our fingers to the bone to attain financial security. Yes, this economic crisis has reduced our family wealth quite significantly. Nonetheless, we are very comfortable; we enjoyed sense enough over the decades to stash away cash for rainy days. We have no debt, no credit card debt, no mortgages on our home nor our income properties. No debt at all. Reason for this is our family made a point to do without, to sacrifice, to work hard, to move ahead in life by living well within our means and ways; we hold ourselves financially responsible.
Why should our family bailout Wall Street and Americans who are financially irresponsible?
Let the chips fall where they may. Our world needs culling.
Pity the children of our world, though. This hurts me deeply.
These leftist socialist bailout and nationalization notions will prove an albatross around the necks of hard working honest peoples who did not contribute to our current economic crisis.
Survival of the Fittest is Mother Nature’s way. This is precisely what we need.
No bailout, no nationalization. We need to cull this diseased chicken flock we call America and call, our world.
Okpulot Taha
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- Kimberly Peacock
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Sep 27 03:45 PMMcCain believes in Jeffersonian Democracy. What does that mean? Thomas Jefferson argued against Federalism, as he felt that it posed a risk and infringement to the liberty of Americans. The Federal government is a necessary evil, which should operate on the common benefit, security, and protection of Citizens, and should be watched closely and its powers should be minimized.
Science recently has determined that there is a scientific reason why this is the best possible configuration. Networks of all types, financial, government, electrical, communicative, all behave under certain laws. These laws have been described well in layman’s terms by Lazlo Barabasi in his book “Linked.” These laws argue against centralized networks as they are prone to cascade failures and that distributed adaptable networks are much more robust and capable of sustaining damage to one part of the network and reconfiguring themselves and continue to function. What this tells you is that democracy and capitalism, is inherently more stable than other types of systems of economic distribution and governance.
Capitalism has been moving towards big business, since the industrial revolution, and this has led to a centralization of Wealth which has placed our economy in the current economic crisis we face today. It is not accurate to place the blame on Wall Street, or on homeowners, for the current financial crisis. The crisis was driven by the centralized wealth and dynamics of the networked global economy.
The solution to the problem is to move toward decentralization of all critical networks such as Government and Financial.
McCain holds that we need to move from Big Business to many competing companies run on Main Street, and incentivize investment in small business over big business.
McCain also holds that regulation much like Big government needs to be circumscribed in its powers, but that it’s a necessary evil. The idea is that centralized standards, and regulation, reduce the cost of compliance and lead to greater efficiency.
McCain understands we need regulation and standards, but regulation and standards must be able to evolve and adapt, while cost of compliance must be the same for individuals as for big business on a basis that places the individual or small business with an equal footing to gig government or big business.
(In my opinion, this needs to be slanted towards small business and individuals. That it’s better to err on the side of smaller concerns.)
McCain is against Obama’s tax plan, because increasing capital gains tax on business, and investment, because it acts as a barrier to deploying monies to generate wealth formation. A simple way to understand this is as friction to the speed at which capital flows through the system. This matters to every American, not just the wealthy, as McCain critics say. This matters to every American because if assets are not deployed, and or leveraged, then entrepreneurial activities are curtailed, and with this comes a reduction in jobs, and a decrease in wealth distribution, and most importantly to wealth concentration which makes the average American a indentured servant to the concentrated wealth.
McCain understands that we need alter wealth distribution in this country such that it benefits the middle class and grows it. He also understands that in a free society you do not accomplish this by confiscating another’s wealth and redistribute it to others on the government’s whim. This was the approach of the old Soviet Union. What we need to do is provide incentives for people to place their wealth into the system so that others can become wealthy in their own right.
For those that think but I just want a job, and this does not matter to you, more business creation, leads to more jobs, and in today’s world with equity participation, greater wealth.
- gramps2
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Sep 27 04:01 PMCome on SA editors -- keep this partisan trash off your website or change the name to Seeking Politics
- jmkeynes
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Sep 27 04:14 PMSo, lets take a poll of Seeking Alpha journalists to see where they stand:
a) Corporate Socialist (Socialism for the Rich),
b) Free Fall Market Nihilist (the End is Near, Short Everything),
c) Plain old Democratic Socialist (we need a Swedish style bailout),
d) Other/confused
Brad is clearly in the democratic socialist camp, which is my favorite too.
I assume that everyone if familiar with Socialism for the Rich already. The Free Fall Market Nihilist position is described below.
The Rise of Free Fall Market Nihilism
The latest financial crisis in the US is forcing old economic ideologies to reinvent themselves. We're long past the old socialism versus capitalism dichotomy.
Many on both the left and the right will object that the $700 billion dollar bailout plan really amounts to Socialism for the Rich.
The left favors a traditional, democratic form of socialism. So, they tend to support the approach the Swedes took when their banks needed bailouts (i.e. give taxpayers an equity stake in the banks being bailed out).
Libertarians, however, are having a harder time of it these days.
Just as there are no atheists in fox holes, we're starting to find that there are no die hard Libertarians in times of financial crisis - unless, of course, you count those who are short the market.
True believers in libertarian dogma always want the government to stand aside regardless of the consequences.
But, there are also those "pragmatists"... who can espouse either a Libertarian dogma or a Corporate Socialist dogma depending on their financial position.
If you and the corporation you manage would benefit from a government bailout, then opt for corporate socialism.
But, if you don't manage a company in need of a bailout then short the market and opt for Free Fall Market Nihilism.
Whereas market bubbles are fueled by self-fulfilling optimistic prophecies, market crashes are fueled both by self-fulfilling pessimistic prophecies and naive free market ideology.
So, during times of financial crisis, Free Fall Market Nihilists short the market and then also cynically espouse a naive libertarian ideology that firms, markets, and even entire economic systems should always be allowed to fail.
The Free Fall Market Nihilist's mantra goes as follows:
"Government intervention is always wrong. In the long run, free markets will always correct. So, bring on those waves of creative destruction: The greater the financial destruction the better. The world is coming to an end, I've shorted the market, and so should you!"
So, lets take a poll of journalists at the Economist to see where they stand:
a) Corporate Socialist (Socialism for the Rich),
b) Free Fall Market Nihilist (the End is Near, Short Everything),
c) Plain old Democratic Socialist (we need a Swedish style bailout),
d) Other/confused
- dw57
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Sep 27 04:41 PM- User 271458
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Sep 27 05:13 PM"grants the Federal Reserve Board the power to take any financial firm whatsoever with liabilities and capital of more than $25 billion that is not well capitalized into conservatorship,
requires the Federal Reserve Board to liquidate any financial firm in its conservatorship when it judges that the firm is insolvent (paying off in full or not paying off in full the liabilities of the firm at its discretion), unless
the Federal Reserve Board finds that preservation as a going concern is in the interest of the taxpayer, in which case Congress
grants the Federal Reserve Board the power to transform equity stakes in the firm into junior preferred stock at par value and then transfer ownership and custody of the firm to the Treasury,
requires the Federal Reserve to terminate conservatorship if the firm becomes well-capitalized once again."
In a nutshell: If the firm is profitable, the owners benefit. If it's about to take losses, then the taxpayer (that's you) pays. This invites for excessive risk taking (if you know you're going to bailed out for failure, you might take a few extra risks, eh)?
It is stunning that some people never seam to learn their history, and learn what a failure nationalization is. Like communism, it sounds good on paper, and some people are probably scratching their heads reading this, saying "wow! what a plan!" Uh huh.
- Reinko
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Sep 27 05:29 PMDo you think 700 billion US$ is enough?
It is peanuts; simply the combined value of family homes will contract about 6,5 trillion US$ before long term affordability is restored again.
If house owners take 80% of that damage and the banks 20% then we are looking at 1.3 trillion in future damage stuff.
This 700 billion joke is just a joke.
With numbers like that it does not make much difference what model you choose to fight the problems...
- The Realist
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Sep 27 05:31 PM"It's time for the Democrats to pass a nationalization in the taxpayers' interest bill and dare Bush to veto it."
What a joke. Democrats want any plan that increases the size of government and pays off their NY banking friends. And no idiotic comments like the republicans are the party of the rich. That is just moronic. NY by size is an entire red state, it is just the concentration of blue in NYC and its suburbs that is so left wing that the entire state is always in the democratic camp. These are the democrat's constituents that give them money and keep them in power.
The Democrats can pass a bill today like Paulson's and Bush will 100% sign it. The reason that they have not done this is that they don't want the voters realizing what kind of hypocrites they are, always talking about soaking the rich to pay the poor but then when push comes to shove they send the poors' money to the rich.
This is a democrat's dream, pay off their money supporters and increase the size of government at the same time. I called Sen. Reid's office and was told he did not like the Paulson plan as written, he needed more governmental powers put into the plan to increase his fascist beliefs.
Now with all that said I like some of this plan, the fact that equity and bondholders have to pay for their mistakes. The problem is pretending that the democrats have the country's best interest at heart. What a joke.
- PK de C'ville
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Sep 27 06:49 PMYou Wrote, "Oh my, Mr. Delong, you are a partisan leftist socialist, yes? "
And I write,
"Oh my, Purl Gurl, you are a partisan idiot, yes?
Not good to call people names. (Irony intended.)
- DougM
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Sep 27 07:06 PM- friedrich engels
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Sep 27 07:14 PMthere are more than 3 fixes. use the mythical 700 billion to rebuild the infrastructure issuing private sector rfp.s with gov't loan insurance [use aig since we already own it] and/or cheap loans, subsidies, funds matching programs, any way to get the capital out there; capital infusion into the population, job and industrial expansion, as needed. once growth begins it would grow geometrically. who know maybe people will have the $$ to pay mortgages and even buy some of those inventoried houses. there's a thought.
2. an economic system must work in good times and in bad times and especially in bad times. remember free market capitalism? ...duh...
let the failures fail. invest the $$ where it will grow [hey capitalism! who'd a thunk it?!] and benefit the real economy much and the virtual derivative non-productive dead in the water economy little or not at all.
- friedrich engels
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Sep 27 07:18 PMout of this whole mess there is one thing true and proven. the experts having already failed in international proportions [again] are clueless.
- localglobal
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Sep 27 08:05 PM- dixie
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Sep 27 08:32 PMYou say you want the folks that brought us Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to be our commercial bankers, DMV style.
Canada will have a population explosion.
- jcrash
- 256 Comments
Sep 27 08:33 PMThe guy won't even live to see the ramifications of 10% of his decision, and that is assuming he manages to live out a full term and not leave us stuck with the hillbilly soccermom he chose as a running mate.
I was considering voting for him until he made that running mate choice. If that is the type of decision he makes under pressure, I think we all know who we should elect.
- Alan von Altendorf
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Sep 27 08:59 PMTo be extremely brief, it's not. What he proposes in this article is Chapter 7 bankruptcy, managed by the executive branch instead of Federal courts. It is probably unconstitutional, but in any case it's obviously the right thing to do with insolvent firms.
- The hand
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Sep 27 09:08 PMi would like to point out that the actions by FDIC against WaMu are really nationalization - so in effect what the author is proposing is indeed being implemented.
- dlr
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Sep 27 09:15 PMWhy shouldn't the exact same approach be used for all the other banks who balance sheets smell to high heaven? Why do we need a bailout and mega taxpayer funds to re-capitalize these banks? Let them die, and more prudent and competent managers will come in and pick up the pieces immediately. Just like magic the bad debt is no longer a problem. It isn't a problem because it has been repriced by the bankrupty right down to what someone is willing to pay for it.
All we need to do is to tell the FDIC to get the lead out, instead of waiting month after excruciating months for the problem banks to slowly, slowly die. Get it over with. As soon as they do, the economy will start to recover.
Or we can use the Japanese approach and spend ten years propping up these dying banks with larger and larger infusions of public money. We all know how well that worked out.
- DougM
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Sep 27 09:30 PM- madasiwannabe
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Sep 27 10:06 PMNationalization worked great for the GSE's. A lot of shareholders lost their money, but not one nickle will go towards fixing Fannie or Freddies financial woes. It all just changed hands from longs to shorts. Net result is the taxpayers will now have to pay back the money the shorts pocketed and then figure out how to pay for the losses.
WM worked out great too. JPM got 310 Billion in assets for free. FDIC got 2 Billion for their trouble and the shareholders transferred their money to the shorts. Net result is 8 billion worth of debts will not be paid back, and JPM will sell the 30 Billion they just wrote down for 50 cents on the dollar and make 15 Billion for their trouble.
Doing nothing, means all of the US assets will change hands and we the American people will end up with nothing. Sounds like everything from here is a little too little and a little too late. Thanks Hank and Ben for your bringing your experience to DC. Without you we would have never been able to find our way over the cliff so quickly.
- Absolved
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Sep 27 11:58 PM- retrader
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Sep 28 02:17 AMStart collecting any firewood and burnable materials for heat. Locate the nearest soup kitchen in your community. If you don't go to church, start going, as some serve up the better meals. Have a nice weekend
( they might start becoming few and far between this winter ).
- fatcat
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Sep 28 04:05 AMThis deal was an asset "gift" to JPM and a liability to everyone else..
- Whisper On The Wind
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Sep 28 08:25 AM- BrunoT
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Sep 28 12:09 PMWith "experts" like this no wonder we're in deep kimchee.
- tcornelison
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