Peter Morici

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The US trade deficit has grown to $US700 billion, which of course is money not spent on US goods and services. This has killed off well paying jobs, has slowed the economy and created unemployment.

Net imports from China and oil account for a large proportion of the US deficit and it is this that America simply must fix to rev up growth.

Yet the problem is greater than that. Even with those problems addressed, if America doesn't fix the banks, it won't get the economy going. Properly functioning credit markets and solvent banks are needed.

The trade deficit and banking crisis are interconnected however. The trade deficit pumps lots of dollars abroad that come back as purchases of US bonds and other securities. Foreign holdings are now about $US6.5 trillion – growing at about $US50 billion each month – and in recent years that has created cheap capital which in turn has encouraged over-leveraging from Main Street to Wall Street. It has affected homeowners and consumers from Peoria to Park Avenue.

The US economy is in crisis and to address that we need to look at three interconnected things: China, oil and the banks.

Jobs losses have been recorded every month since last December and nearly all the forecasters have the economy cycling down. Real incomes of average Americans have been falling and thousands of homeowners are going through foreclosure.

After Bear Stearns (BSC), Lehman (LEH), AIG (AIG), Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE), money centre banks have scaled back or stopped securitising the loans of their regional peers. There is a chronic shortage of conventional mortgage financing and business loans. Regional banks don't have enough money to lend.

Over a week ago, credit markets seized up, prompting the Treasury to propose a $US700 billion bailout that we must implement. Yet, even as some of America's most venerable financial institutions fail, changes in management practices, compensation and corporate governance have been inadequate.

A week ago Monday, the foreign flight from Treasuries was almost a run on the dollar, and conditions for yet another crisis are ripe.

This is a reality of doom and gloom, but there are solutions. To dig out of this mess, America has to address the trade deficit and how the banks are run. And in addressing that trade deficit, first we must look at what is happening with China.

China
China maintains a 40 per cent undervalued yuan by buying dollars and other currencies with yuan. Those purchases come to more than $US600 billion a year, or about 17 per cent of China's GDP. This gives Chinese-based manufacturing a cost advantage having little to do with cheap abundant unskilled labour.

This also encourages US companies to move high productivity, well paying jobs to China, which in turn drives down US GDP and wages. Those job losses have little to do with China's "cheap labour advantage" or what economists call comparative advantage.

The cycle continues. Beijing trades the dollars it obtains through currency market intervention for Treasuries and other US securities. This suppresses long US interest rates and in recent years, this has also decoupled the federal funds rate from long rates, helping to create the cheap, easy credit that led to foolish mortgages and reckless leveraging. This can be seen as an inverted yield curve.

US diplomacy has failed to persuade China to change its currency practices, but the alternative to diplomatic measures is to tax dollar-yuan transactions in proportion to Beijing's intervention. That would reverse the effects of Chinese intervention in markets and encourage free trade based on comparative advantages. I believe the same should apply for other countries that manipulate their currencies.

Realigning currencies would raise US GDP by $US300 billion and bring back many well paying jobs. It would furthermore permit the Fed to effectively influence long-term interest rates once the present financial crisis is resolved.

Oil
The other big elephant in the trade deficit room is oil. The US spends over $US400 billion a year on imported oil, and a good deal of that goes into autos.

First and foremost, Americans have done too little to conserve on gasoline. CAFE standards (Congress's Corporate Average Fuel Economy regulations) were unchanged for 32 years, and significant breakthroughs in engine technology were used to boost horsepower instead of improving fuel economy.

Finally in 2007, Congress mandated fleet averages be raised to 35 mpg by 2030 but America can – and should – seek to accomplish much more. Simply put, America has the technologies but has not applied them. Lighter materials, advanced hybrids, natural gas and eventually hydrogen can all contribute to solutions.

The US needs a three-pronged strategy. The first part is easy: higher CAFE standards. The second part is to provide product development assistance for domestic-based manufacturers, conditioned on patent sharing and first production runs in the United States. The third is a clunker trade-in subsidy, which would be a tax credit or payment to buyers who trade-in and destroy cars based on their remaining years of useful life and the trade-in mpg gain.

These measures would provide incentives to develop world class alternatives in personal transportation, produce the vehicles and components in the US, and create a new export industry. America is not going to do this with mass transit or on bicycles.

Epic historical transformations in transportation – canals, railroads, and air travel – have often required a boost from government, because switching costs are too high for incumbent firms. Someone is going to make these cars and their components eventually. The US government needs to ask whether Americans make them or pay dearly for imports.

Banks
Banking has irrevocably changed. 30 years ago banks took in deposits and loaned out money, it was nice and easy. More recently however, regional banks or their brokers wrote loans, which were then sold to money centre banks and securities dealers, which were then securitised for sale to fixed income investors. It was called efficiency, but the origins of the subprime crisis are clear.

An overabundance of cheap funds from the flood of US dollars abroad, created by the trade deficit, came back as foreign purchases of US Treasuries and securities. Fragmentation of the lending process meanwhile separated those with a stake in loan performance from those who wrote and those who securitised loans.

So-called performance-based compensation on Wall Street – the "heads I win, tails shareholders lose" bonus schemes for bankers also encouraged the whole process to speed up. Excessively complex and poorly conceived collateralised debt obligations and credit default swaps were added to the mix.

Brokers and bankers bet the shareholders' and investors' money for personal and company gain. Performance based compensation schemes furthermore made writing "plain vanilla" bonds against good mortgages and business loans unattractive.

All this begot dodgy loans, misrepresented risk in securities, inadequate default insurance, loan and bond failures, and the subprime crisis.

Banks and securities dealers got stuck with lots of toxic paper that they created with subprime and Alt-A loans. Money centre banks and securities dealers backed off securitising even good loans and a shortage of conventional mortgages and business loans ensued, even for prime customers.

Housing prices are now down nearly 20 per cent, far more than they were during the S&L crisis of the early 1990s. Bear Stearns, Fannie and Freddie, Lehman Brothers and AIG have collapsed or are in trouble. And now there is a massive federal bailout proposed.

The bankers that created the crisis are meanwhile escaping with their huge bonuses. Some even continue to have big paydays. This is not capitalism – which functions on rewards for good decisions and penalties for bad ones – it's a recipe for repeated bank failures, government takeovers and the failure of our market economy.

Solutions
Cultural changes at our banks and securities firms are required. Into the trash bin should go performance based compensation schemes that encourage bankers to act for their own enrichment against the interest of shareholders and clients. The Wall Street culture of entitlement must be changed and compensation has to be aligned with other industries as well as shareholder interests.

Bankers have been betting house money in a strike-it-rich culture that simply has to end. It is a corporate governance issue and while the government can mandate change, even define broad outlines, Wall Street has to articulate the details.

To fix credit markets America has before it special Fed lending facilities and the newly proposed $US700 billion Treasury rescue program to restore liquidity. What America doesn't have, and needs, however are "pay-to-play" requirements for banks and securities dealers participating in rescue programs.

Money centre banks should be required to securitise regional bank mortgages and business loans – this time creating plain vanilla bonds. This would minimize the cost to taxpayers by raising housing prices and would reduce risk.

Principles-based banking reform is also necessary. Accountability for loans throughout the lending and securitisation chain is needed and as part of this there must be responsible credit marketing and consumer education.

America needs to stop consuming more than it produces. America needs to stop running huge trade deficits and borrowing so much from the rest of the world to pay for it.

America needs to stop encouraging manufacturers to leave the country with a dollar artificially overvalued against the yuan and other Asian currencies.

America needs to curb its oil imports by encouraging automakers and consumers to make and buy radically more fuel efficient vehicles.

America needs to require prudent and conservative banking practices and end the strike-it-rich, cowboy and bet-the-shareholders'-ranch culture on Wall Street.

The measures I am calling for are practicable and implementable: a tax on yuan-dollar transactions to achieve realignment in exchange rates; a three-pronged program to build fuel efficient vehicles; a linked participation in the Fed and Treasury programs for banks that provide vital commercial banking services; changes in bank leadership to affect reform and create a culture of service and accountability in the financial services industry.

Not too long ago, the management of the US economy and the resiliency and creativity of American capital markets were examples to the rest of the world. Now today these are things America can hardly be proud about.

America has the skills, the creativity and a magnificent work ethic to restore its vibrant economy. America can't dally however: the American model of democratic capitalism is increasingly challenged by China and other nations. Making tough choices – and abandoning ideology, dogma and partisanship – is the only way to accomplish the reforms needed to get the American economy back on track, and again earn respect around the globe.

More importantly, these tough choices are essential to ensure the legacy of a lasting prosperity for generations to come.

This article has 47 comments:

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    Sep 28 02:21 PM
    I do not believe that this or the next administration will be able to make the tough choices...all will be painfull and beyond the will of the American Public to bare...we have grown up with credit as our personal right and the smooth talking salesman as our hero and advisor...lets face it...the game is over and were going into second or third rate status and hopefully there will be enough food kitchens to feed all of us.
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    Sep 28 03:27 PM
    I disagree 11815 - The American people have it in them to make these tough adjustments, all they require is a renewed trust in their leaders.
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    Sep 28 04:41 PM
    In looking at historic home price increases since 1940, we have averaged about about a 15% increase in asset value per decade through 2000, but a whopping 60% increase in yrs. 2000 - 2008. If we have some 48 trillion of valuation out there in US homes, and even if 10% of that is already gone, aren't we due for another 35% correction before this bubble comes historically in line? this is theoretically 16 Trillion. What kind of GDP do we need going forward to mitigate that? This seems to me to be a crisis of unimaginable proportions. 700B may not make a dent.
    Please, input from more knowlegable people?
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    Sep 28 04:53 PM
    Exactly What I Have Preaching....But, The Republicans think other things are at fault, cause...

    The Drop Of IN Commodities, especially OIL, was the final straw that broke the Money Banks/WS Firms...hence the run on the dollar and "THE CRISIS" that went beyond normail rescue channels...

    China and the Saudis are pissed at us for the high price of oil and the deteriorating dollar and signalled they were through buying them...so nobody to purchase Gov. Notes starting this Wed.

    And we continue to let those that have been steering this our of control ship to still tell us they should be the ones to pilot it.

    I feel sorry for O as he is going to have his hands full...this is just a one-year band-aid!
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    Sep 28 07:01 PM
    "Cultural changes at our banks and securities firms are required."

    Its not about "culture" -- its about "structure". If they're permitted to sell risky debt, they _will_ sell risky debt. Think of hospitals. There's long been a problem of people hooking up the the wrong hose to the wrong plug-- if the Oxygen mask gets plugged into the CO2 outlet, you have a problem.

    There are two approaches to the solution: training-- get everyone to recognize the deadly danger.

    Or design: make sure the Oxygen tube connector doesn't fit into the CO2 port.

    Solutions that affect design, which make it impossible to make mistakes, are preferable. That's what we did after the crash: created three categories of banking institutions
    investment banks
    commercial banks
    savings banks

    Each was permitted to engage in a limited range of transactions, with a limited leverage, and limited counter-parties.

    There were efficiency costs to this arrangement, but "by design" it prevented the nightmare chimeras we're trying to control today.
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    Sep 28 07:15 PM
    Boy! You're sure talking a lot of anti-republican rhetoric here! Limit free trade by taxing to compensate for the Yuan/Dollar, get clunkers off the road, push for reduced gas consumption.. Don't know what to say!

    Caught you on the tube the other day... Good stuff

    jegan ;-)

    Go Terrapins!
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    Sep 28 08:01 PM
    Hello - Here's one take: Sugar Money followed attacks of 2001 to put a Keynesian cure on a world of a mess in the financial markets. It was a "typical Democrat solution" but it was R's that implemented it. Frankly there was not a choice. Had to be done. When the banks started to get risky based on earlier deregulations and and trading rules going back to the Clinton era. Add to that policy rules that prompted banks to put out high risk loans to people with little ability to pay - as well as to speculators busy flipping the housing market, and voila ! BUBBLE. Warning flags and legislation to dial back the spicket came from the Bush Admin and McCain among others. Dems turned a blind eye. Bubble had no restraints. In reality there are low percentages of actual bad loans but given the "mark to market" accounting - the whole group of assets became tainted. So much of this is the cause of government tinkering but I see little way out except to tinker some more. I think the modified Paulson plan has a good shot at unclogging the credit pipes .. and reviving the economy - though the DOMESTIC markets may not follow so soon since the dollar gets damaged in the process. Oil is certainly a factor here but if our markets begin to respond - more oil and gold money will begin flowing back to the US equity pie.
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    Sep 28 09:01 PM
    Your trying to move a 14 trillion dollar economy and you are tinkering with gas mileage over 10 years! Brilliant. Reducing trade deficit -
    how about the hundreds of billions left in the ground from not drilling for gas and oil over 20 years! No mention. It is a strategy that every nation has taken on - drilling in every conceivable area looking for sucker nations that believe in preelection fabricated polar bear sitings.
    They even enrich uranium in oil rich nations since it is cheaper and export the rest for hard cash.
    Norway with a pop of 5 million awards the Nobel Peace to a carbon credit politician and then accumulates close to 400 billion in it's piggy (polar) bank.

    If people are sincere about energy they would restrict the 15 million illegal which would burden our roads and infrastructure. They would tax second homes that need to maintained year round. None of this would happen because it is not a real issue but fake.

    China trade is a joke they don't have nor does any other exporter have significant capital yet to import from us - therefore our trade deficit would not be impacted.

    China currency has been manipulated but it's the same game as many other nations all trying to export. We are so burdened with debt, regulation and litigation - we need to eliminate the corp interest expense deduction and replace it with dividend payment deduction. But of course this will never pass because both banks and shareholders are now evil - so we will end up probably just chasing private capital out so that we end up like all the liberal states of NY Calif - request federal assistance.

    Banking reform gets at a few 20-100 million in bonuses and compensation - a total red herring. You conveniently forget to mention that almost half the mortgages in America are now controlled by politicians - 4 trillion. This was inherited from an out of control politician sponsored agency. Now what? I guess we vote on each foreclosure. This is the elephant in the room. No one is losing sleep that a bunch of clowns got overpaid for a few years. How about this 4 trillion that doubled the national debt in a weekend. Who held up reforms and scrutinty on the politically inspired Fannie Mae agency - who kept the campaign contributions going, who wants to distract people from an investigation?
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    Sep 28 10:27 PM
    The U. S. economy is a Ponzi Scheme based on cheap labor and large amounts of credit. When the country, both government and citizens, realize that a no-growth economy is the only economy that will work, then the U. S. will prosper. Everyone doesn't need a BMW or a gold chain around thier neck; everyone can have health care and a decent retirement. However, this state of affairs will never come about due to politics. Hence the U. S. will sink to being a minor player in history.
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    Sep 28 11:33 PM
    Kath H. - WELL STATED!!!

    Peter - Don't you mean:

    1. Buy

    2. Buy

    3. Buy

    ??? Who cares if we have no homes, no jobs, no schools, no health care, no insurance, no gas, no electricity... Not our government... I'm not going to buy a damn thing. Now I'm going to save.
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    Sep 29 12:00 AM
    We are in trouble because we don't make anything. Even the things that are made here are made by foriegn corporations and the money goes over there.

    How long did you think you could run an economy building houses for each other?

    All those people you laughed at when they said "buy American", they were right. You shot your self in the foot with that Toyota.

    Now suffer the consequences.
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    What a crock! Europe has trade and budget surpluses and THEIR Economies are in deeper bear markets and 'recessions' than ours is.
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    Sep 29 02:48 AM
    Americans have been living in paradise for many decades. Our democratically elected politians are so nice, they make laws to encourage us to enjoy more and work less, spend more and save less. If we save, we are penalized by heavy taxes, if we consume, we won;t be held responsible for not paying our debt back. We keep telling ourselves we are really willing to work hard, but definitely not for the low pay and long hours that the immigrants are willing to accept. We keep saying if only the Chinese Yuan are made to rise by 40%, then we will get all those jobs back, but most of those jobs will just migrate to India, or Vietnam, or Cambodia, or Bangladesh, or an endless list of other countries whose citizens are eager to work for even less then the Chiense do. When even our economic 'scholars' are not willing to tell us Americans the hard truth, we will not be able to prevend the eventual decline of this country.

    Tax credit for those who save more than 10% of their income, and tax all consumption related debt for the rich and middle class. This is what is really necessary to turn things around, and we won;t have to sell treasury bonds to foreigners to finance our debt, and the trade deficits will be eliminated automatically no matter how other countries try to manipulate their currencies.
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    Sep 29 05:24 AM
    wow - this article is bad.

    taxing forex??? just please tell me how to do that? you can exchange money all over the world. and i fail to see how taxing is not conterproductive. japan has artificially maintained their rate for years at the detriment of the balance of trade,

    your solution about cars would take 10 years or more to even start seeing a small effect on imports. you can immediately effect imports with natural gas as existing cars can be back fitted to cars already on the road.

    i do not want to start taking each point you raised and debunk it. read this article at your own risk.




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    Sep 29 08:35 AM
    This is all good, but until we address the deteriorating job market, noting is going to help. xmplary.blogspot.com
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    Sep 29 08:52 AM
    you want to encourage saving & reduce consumption? a national retail sales tax will do the trick, earnings which are saved & not spent on goods are not taxed. of course the house republicans will screech that this is unamerican.
    crocodil - redesign - you are describing Murphy's Law (he worked for lockheed aircraft in 1948) - 'if an aircraft part can be installed upside down some wall street banker will do so'.
    > jack
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    Sep 29 09:26 AM
    @humblemaster

    The basic ideas of what you're saying looks correct, but your math seems to be off. Remember that percentages are multiplicative not additive. (i.e. 50% gain + 50% loss is not back to even)
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    The next president - no matter who it is has a lot to clean up!
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    Sep 29 10:15 AM
    This article makes the appropriate linkages between the current crisis and our current account imbalance. But it doesn't go far enough. Plus, the exchange penalties on the Chinese will probably provoke a trade war. Better a multi pronged strategy incorporating the following:

    (1) Increase taxes on the rich to lower our budget deficit.
    (2) Eliminate the payroll tax and the corporate income tax and replace it with a value added tax / national sales tax. This will end our penalties on labor and replace it with a penalty on consumption. It will have much the same effect as the exchange rate manipulation he suggests, without the trade war overtones. And it will improve the competitiveness of our companies. Combined with the tax change in (1) it will leave us with a tax system that is less regressive than the one we have now.
    (3) Produce more oil and natural gas here now.
    (4) Adopt the "Pickens plan" to go after renewables in a big way, use natural gas for our transportation, and improve our electric system transmission capability.
    (5) Add subsidies and incentives for anything that will reduce our dependence on oil - community based agriculture, mass transportation, a reinvigorated intercity bus and train network, indeed improved mileage standards, and hybrid/electric, natural gas, and hydrogen vehicles.
    (6) Do what it takes to allow a resurgence of nuclear power.
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    Sep 29 10:23 AM
    produce more crude oil - we can make our own high-quality (no resid) syncrude from illinois/west kentucky high-volatile bituminous coal via 2-stage hydroliquefaction. the r.reagan administration in its infinite wisdom cancelled the program in 1985. we could have had those plants up & running by now.
    > jack
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    Sep 29 10:49 AM
    3 things, a miracle, a miracle, a miracle...
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    Sep 29 11:06 AM
    Great article
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    Sep 29 11:07 AM
    One easy solution:

    Print more money. This will have the effect of undervaluing the dollar and propping up Oil /Commodity prices.
    This will hurt us but it will keep the jobs here in the US.

    Chinese have kept their currency undervalued and are benefitting because
    a) since the US is not printing money -- this is causing recssion in US (harming US business) but keeping the oil/commodity prices down
    b) this help the Chinese because of lower commodity prices and they can inflate their currency (get more business from the US)

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    Sep 29 11:10 AM
    Peter, your post is thought-provoking at the least, as is evidenced by all of the impassioned comments. Keep posting and analyzing.

    I do think you oversimplified the China solution. Do you think the Chinese would simply stand by while we taxed their currency conversion transactions?

    China is in the catbird seat due to lame US economic policies and they know it. We are fundamentally at their mercy for the forseeable future.
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    Sep 29 11:24 AM
    How about changing americans pride? world wars are over. This is the twenty first century and America must adjust to a global economy where the dollar can't be a pattern through the world. Nor our economy can be a pattern either. Nor, we should be savior of western world or the one that exploit the rest of humanity by multinational companies specially on third wold countries. Neither we should accept Chinise or any other large economy that do not play fairly. We are humans like anybody else on the world and we should encourage respect and world laws against personal greed, explotation or abuse by disregard.
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    Sep 29 11:25 AM
    While the author makes very good points on macro-economics level, what about micro-economics as applied to a common person....for instance....save for a rainy day, don't buy that SUV you can't afford, don't buy a 4000sq ft house.
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    Sep 29 11:58 AM
    @humblemaster

    I agree humble, that is the underlying problem. Also, salaries haven't increased, so it takes more of the paycheck to make a housing payment. In the 70's my dad paid 25% of his salary to housing, but now it would take me 60-70% of my salary (I have a graduate degree).

    Also, if everyone has a home (or bought in times of great prices/interest rates), where will the demand be to the glut of supply?
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    Sep 29 12:38 PM
    Interesting diagnosis and prescription. But too late. Too many viruses have weakened the body. The patient is extremely sick (look at obesity; do you think the Vikings or the pioneers were obese?) and disoriented. It won't recover before a vey long time, if it does.
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    Sep 29 01:18 PM
    @Crocodillian,

    Agreed! Structural problems are what cause the symptoms we deal with now.

    Stock option compensation:
    Encouraged short-term stock boosting behavior by executives, regardless of the long-term cost or risk. Pay them well in cash, then give them a bonus based on the performance 5-10 years out, not next quarter! This compensation fad has crippled many American companies, most recently banks and mortgage firms. The short-term execs walk away with their millions.

    No Legal Limits on Govt. Deficits:
    What ever happened to the balanced budget amendment? Congress has all the incentives to pass on the burden of current govt. spending to the next generation. They'll win voters with their spending plans and not lose any votes due to taxes. Meanwhile, the US's financial strength and flexibility continues to deteriorate as the debt piles up. 25% of our federal taxes go to paying interest. That's money spent that doesn't benefit us a bit. Welfare does more for the economy than paying interest to foreigners, so why don't interest payments get people worked up?

    Taxing income but not consumption:
    Want to be energy independent? Raise the tax on gasoline to European levels and then cut individual income taxes a matching amount. Results: economic growth thanks to lower income taxes, fewer dollars sent to OPEC, revitalized cities as professionals move back, cleaner air, not having our recessions scheduled by OPEC.

    Worshiping the car:
    Why are we such fans of a transportation method that costs us several thousand dollars per year in depreciation, interest, taxes, insurance, maint., fuel, repairs, etc. AND wastes hundreds of hours of our time in congestion. How much wealthier and healthier would we be if we were riding light rail to work instead of financing, fueling, insuring, maintaining, and wearing out $30k cars every 5 years? Do we honestly believe that oil will be cheap in 20 years? Do we even care about the future?
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    Sep 29 01:20 PM
    I find it amusing that everyone proclaims Clinton to be this great president yet he's the one that opened the floodgates with China.
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    Sep 29 01:22 PM
    Americans are living a precarious existence of excessive indebtedness, inadequate or non-existant savings, increasing inflation, and the threat of being wiped out by one-time major health care cost. There will be no support for any reform which threatens our delicate financial balance. In this sense, we are able to be blackmailed by our government into accepting proposals which - while unwise - act as stopgaps and defer reform to the distant future.

    That is why if we are ever going to change the decadent, acquisition fixated, spiritually shallow, and irresponsible culture we have created, we need to let the current financial crisis play out. Here are my reasons:

    . Those who have been most responsible will lose the most $. There is a fairness in this which resonates with many people, even those who would also be hurt by the fallout.
    . The weakest banks and businesses will fail.
    . While jobs will be lost, the purchasing power of unemployment insurance will go up because prices will go down. Lower prices will especially help people most hurt by inflation --those below the poverty level who are getting food stamps and live in subsidized housing, and retired people on Social Security
    . Interest rates will go up, discouraging discretionary borrowing and encouraging savings which increases liquidity.
    . There is plenty of capital in our country seeking returns greater than government bonds that will tend to seek out sound investments in favor of risky, arcane financial instruments.
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    Sep 29 03:26 PM
    To alwaysalady:
    A strong purge, yes, that might be the cure.
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    Sep 29 03:29 PM
    Folks, has anyone ever stopped to think maybe this is a good thing. Before you line up to shoot me isnt our greatest problem that we are all in debt up to our ears. Credit Cards and Home Equity Line of Credit have replaced true cash in the pocket. The average American is almost broke and they have little if no cushion to protect themselves from an illness or job loss.

    The current condition might actually force us to stop spending and start saving. Even if we put the cash in a mattress because we dont trust the banks. Folks, the government must stop its rediculous spending but so do we.

    If we all stopped spending the economy would tank. If we took this time to save and pay off our credit cards and pay down other bills, in time this country and us individually would immerge a financial power house.
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    Sep 29 09:10 PM
    User 272442 is right. Purging the excesses is a time honored tradition of the markets. Just as good needs evil to measure itself against. There is a sick sort of yin and yang in this entire mess. How many of the readers out there were so damn certain the market would never see 9000 again?

    After this afternoon... no one it taking that bet. Becareful of throwing good money after bad. Just recall Nikki at 25,000 was only a few decades ago. Look where it is now and how that culture has learned a costly lesson regarding savings. Good chance Asia will eventually pull us out of it but not till the entire system has reversed and corrected itself... that could take several years in the equity markets as the BEAR will be around for quite some time. Bailout or No Bailout.
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