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3 Reasons This Rally Has No Legs
Stocks Will Continue to Erode In This Busted Economy
When the bond price tanks, the risk/reward ratio changes - the holder now has upside (like the equity investor). Since technically the bond holder has additional downside protection in the event that there is a bankruptcy (equity investor wiped out before bond investor loses a penny of principal or interest), you can probably appreciate that scenarios exist, especially in distressed situations, where the bond becomes superior to stocks. In the case of GM, why would you buy equity at any price if you could buy debt trading at 14 cents on the dollar? While GM stock could "double" or "triple" in a "good" scenario, the bond would probably do even better. The answer is complex, but I believe that it has to do with how one values an option (being long GM is a way out of the money option, but volatility is high and expiration is way out there) and the potential for the reorganization to not wipe out equity holders if it happens. As corporate bonds have become cheaper, stocks have discounted this phenomenon. As long as pressure remains on corporate bonds, there should be pressure on stocks as well.
So, I am not sure I am answering your question exactly as you expect, but yes, sometimes it makes sense to buy deep discounted debt and hedge it by shorting the stock. In a broader sense
Stocks Will Continue to Erode In This Busted Economy
Stocks Will Continue to Erode In This Busted Economy
The market is extremely oversold, like never before. My contribution wasn't a suggestion to go and sell today but rather that we should open our mind that "the" bottom may just lie further off in the future and lower than we might ordinarily expect.
On Nov 24 09:37 AM DonSuper wrote:
> U WISH U STUPD SHORT
Stocks Will Continue to Erode In This Busted Economy
AAPL is on the list solely because it has a high market cap. If you notice, the leverage is among the lowest of all the companies. You will also note that AAPL has a relatively low P/TB. Instead of thinking that I am picking on AAPL, which I assume you do, you should take comfort in its relatively better position. Leverage in general ranges from a mathematical low of 1.0 to sometimes astronomical levels (though negative equity can lead to negative numbers). So, to answer your point, AAPL does have low leverage, but it does have significant liabilities nonetheless.
GM: Bankruptcy Is No Longer an Option
I am sorry that you think that my pragmatism is a cop-out. I understand your point. I was so idealistic as a youth, but, the older I get, the more I realize that the world isn't exactly as black and white as I once thought. Maybe you are right that I am just afraid, afraid of the alternative to letting everyone fail. My thought process is that we are not islands. Even since Ayn Rand wrote, we have become more and more interconnected, more specialized in what we do to earn money. I can't fathom to think about how far our society could fall if we just "let everyone fail".
Yes, it makes me sick how individuals, companies and governments have made the mistake that you have pointed out: credit is not capital. I believe that the lesson is being learned, and a return to the Dark Ages is probably not necessary to drive home that point.
I am not suggesting that the government bureaucrats begin running our banks and industrial companies, but I do believe that as a "lender of last resort", it must act. If you want to call me a socialist, that's your choice. In any event, I hope that capitalistic tendencies do prevail again soon. It's tough to imagine, though, in a world without capital.
GM: Bankruptcy Is No Longer an Option
I do think that my view of "saving" the auto industry is somewhat similar what is being done to banks. I don't see how the government can't wipe out the equityholder and most of the bondholder's investment. It's going to happen anyway. It's a gargantuan task, but the role of government here isn't to propagate bad businesses indefinitely but rather stem systemic collapse. My view of how to handle GM is one that allows for a gradual winding down and reduction in size.
On Nov 24 01:38 AM somtam wrote:
> The Americans are strange people. During the election campain the
> Dems and Reps said we are too dependent on foreign oil, loose jobs
> to overseas etc. Now, they are willing to hand-over to auto-industry
> to the foreign companies? How much did the car-industry in the south
> pay the Senators representing these States. Loosing around 3 millons
> jobs,i.e. 3 million individual hardships etc..just because they can't
> fork out 25-30 billion. How much did the Americans waste in Iraq?
>
> Citibank...of course had nothing to do with the subprime(?), got
> without submitting a plan, without grilling the CEO, 20 billion plus
> 300 billion in capital and guarantees over the weekend...strange.
>
> Let the "big 3 fail'..wipe out the value of the shareholder, bondholder
> get a haircut etc...that's an invitation for investments in the US...No
> thanks!
>
>
Stocks Will Continue to Erode In This Busted Economy
GM: Bankruptcy Is No Longer an Option
Healthcare REITs: Still Doing Well, But Will That Trend Continue?
Tech May Be a Wreck, But This Isn't 2001
Tech May Be a Wreck, But This Isn't 2001
Hormel Foods Could Be a Good Addition to Your Shopping List
Tech May Be a Wreck, But This Isn't 2001
Hormel Foods Could Be a Good Addition to Your Shopping List
You are correct that KFT has a higher dividend yield, but you should be aware that they pay out a much higher percentage of their earnings (61% vs 36%). But, here's the real kicker: KFT is much more leveraged. They have $20.6 billion in debt ($700mm due within a year)and just $737mm in cash. HRL is a far superior company in terms of financial risk. If you incorporate debt less cash into the valuation of the companies and compare that total value to the amount of earnings (before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) or to sales, you will find that HRL is WAY cheaper than KFT.
On Nov 16 01:15 PM Bob Lunn wrote:
> HRL is trading at its support level in 2004 - 2005... Its probably
> going to stay there for some time. In addition, its yield is on the
> low side (2.8%) ... Kraft's stock is 2.5% more costly, but Kraft's
> yield is 50% higher than HRLs.
>
> I am long on KFT.